Comments on: The latest food safety measure: vaccinate cows? http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/12/the-latest-food-safety-measure-vaccinate-cows/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:07:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Faustus von Eberle http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/12/the-latest-food-safety-measure-vaccinate-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-64803 Faustus von Eberle Fri, 08 Apr 2011 19:00:44 +0000 http://www.foodpolitics.com/?p=1724#comment-64803 One more issue is video games can be serious naturally with the main focus on learning rather than enjoyment. Although, it has an entertainment element to keep the kids engaged, each one game is usually designed to work towards a specific set of skills or area, such as instructional math or technology. Thanks for your post. One more issue is video games can be serious naturally with the main focus on learning rather than enjoyment. Although, it has an entertainment element to keep the kids engaged, each one game is usually designed to work towards a specific set of skills or area, such as instructional math or technology. Thanks for your post.

]]> By: Rachel http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/12/the-latest-food-safety-measure-vaccinate-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-34778 Rachel Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:34:32 +0000 http://www.foodpolitics.com/?p=1724#comment-34778 Vaccination sounds pretty ridiculous to me. In humans at least, vaccines allow an individual to be a carrier. They do not prevent the bacteria or virus from existing in the vaccinated organism, just from getting sick through the excessive proliferation of said organism. So wouldn't vaccinated beef create a higher prevalence of E. coli across the industry, but with a lower level of contamination per individual cow? I'll take non-vaccinated, thank you. Vaccination sounds pretty ridiculous to me. In humans at least, vaccines allow an individual to be a carrier. They do not prevent the bacteria or virus from existing in the vaccinated organism, just from getting sick through the excessive proliferation of said organism. So wouldn’t vaccinated beef create a higher prevalence of E. coli across the industry, but with a lower level of contamination per individual cow? I’ll take non-vaccinated, thank you.

]]> By: Lillian http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/12/the-latest-food-safety-measure-vaccinate-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-34364 Lillian Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:46:16 +0000 http://www.foodpolitics.com/?p=1724#comment-34364 Thanks for mentioning that spinach outbreak! I did not know that. Grass feeding does seem like the easiest solution - and I do eat grass-fed beef in part for that reason - but it's better to know the full truth. Thanks for mentioning that spinach outbreak! I did not know that. Grass feeding does seem like the easiest solution – and I do eat grass-fed beef in part for that reason – but it’s better to know the full truth.

]]> By: Fred http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/12/the-latest-food-safety-measure-vaccinate-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-34112 Fred Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:31:05 +0000 http://www.foodpolitics.com/?p=1724#comment-34112 I'm not sure if vaccination is the answer at this point, but I am very leery of irradiation. The amino acid, lysine, could be susceptible to being put out of balance by that process. http://thedailybite.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/monsanto-pulls-gm-ly038-high-lysine-corn-from-eu-irradiated-pet-treatsfanconi-syndrome-link/ I’m not sure if vaccination is the answer at this point, but I am very leery of irradiation. The amino acid, lysine, could be susceptible to being put out of balance by that process.

http://thedailybite.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/monsanto-pulls-gm-ly038-high-lysine-corn-from-eu-irradiated-pet-treatsfanconi-syndrome-link/

]]> By: Marion http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/12/the-latest-food-safety-measure-vaccinate-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-34000 Marion Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:54:27 +0000 http://www.foodpolitics.com/?p=1724#comment-34000 @B. Koch -- I wish it were that easy. Alas, it is not. The spinach E. coli outbreak of 2006 was most likely caused by water runoff from free-range, grass-fed cattle. They too can shed the toxic form of E. coli. Corn feeding may make it worse, but grass feeding is not an easy fix. @B. Koch — I wish it were that easy. Alas, it is not. The spinach E. coli outbreak of 2006 was most likely caused by water runoff from free-range, grass-fed cattle. They too can shed the toxic form of E. coli. Corn feeding may make it worse, but grass feeding is not an easy fix.

]]> By: B. Koch http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/12/the-latest-food-safety-measure-vaccinate-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-33996 B. Koch Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:19:35 +0000 http://www.foodpolitics.com/?p=1724#comment-33996 As Michael Pollan documents-put cattle back on grass and they shed 80% of the harmful E. coli. Cows are ruminates and need grass not corn. As Michael Pollan documents-put cattle back on grass and they shed 80% of the harmful E. coli. Cows are ruminates and need grass not corn.

]]> By: Anon http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/12/the-latest-food-safety-measure-vaccinate-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-33995 Anon Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:27:11 +0000 http://www.foodpolitics.com/?p=1724#comment-33995 From what I've read about this bug: 1) Because it does not cause disease in cattle, their systems see it as normal so it is not a matter of those with healthy immune systems not having it. 2) The cattle's diet has some effect but not a big enough one to prevent it or even reduce it much. I'm pretty sure that it has been found in cattle out grazing grass and eating nothing else. 3) I wonder if it might also be a problem with hamburger from smaller abattoirs but it just isn't being detected. It seems to me that a lot of people must have eaten hamburgers made from the big grinding batches compared to the number that got sick and started the tracking of the problem. If that is true, small lots could have the same level of risk but the probability of detecting them is much lower than big lots having the same level of risk. See wikipedia Escherichia coli O157:H7 entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli_O157_H7 Escherichia coli 0157:H7 Infections http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/Factsheets/pdfs/e_coli.pdf For really extensive references, see CIDRAP - http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/index.html http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/fs/food-disease/causes/ecolioview.html From what I’ve read about this bug:

1) Because it does not cause disease in cattle, their systems see it as normal so it is not a matter of those with healthy immune systems not having it.

2) The cattle’s diet has some effect but not a big enough one to prevent it or even reduce it much. I’m pretty sure that it has been found in cattle out grazing grass and eating nothing else.

3) I wonder if it might also be a problem with hamburger from smaller abattoirs but it just isn’t being detected. It seems to me that a lot of people must have eaten hamburgers made from the big grinding batches compared to the number that got sick and started the tracking of the problem. If that is true, small lots could have the same level of risk but the probability of detecting them is much lower than big lots having the same level of risk.

See wikipedia Escherichia coli O157:H7 entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli_O157_H7

Escherichia coli 0157:H7 Infections
http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/Factsheets/pdfs/e_coli.pdf

For really extensive references, see CIDRAP – http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/index.html
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/fs/food-disease/causes/ecolioview.html

]]> By: Food For Thought – Wednesday, December 9th « Save Your Fork… There's Pie http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/12/the-latest-food-safety-measure-vaccinate-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-33993 Food For Thought – Wednesday, December 9th « Save Your Fork… There's Pie Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:11:02 +0000 http://www.foodpolitics.com/?p=1724#comment-33993 [...] get a flu shot to prevent getting sick – should the same logic apply to vaccinating cows against e.coli? Or should consumers be insisting on better, safer processing methods and cows not fed on corn and [...] [...] get a flu shot to prevent getting sick – should the same logic apply to vaccinating cows against e.coli? Or should consumers be insisting on better, safer processing methods and cows not fed on corn and [...]

]]> By: Subvert http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/12/the-latest-food-safety-measure-vaccinate-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-33974 Subvert Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:53:34 +0000 http://www.foodpolitics.com/?p=1724#comment-33974 no one... no one…

]]> By: Subvert http://www.foodpolitics.com/2009/12/the-latest-food-safety-measure-vaccinate-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-33973 Subvert Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:51:47 +0000 http://www.foodpolitics.com/?p=1724#comment-33973 I see know one has brought up the idea of eating less meat, and thereby easing up some of the strain that is on our factory food system. Irradiation and vaccines are a salve to cover a wound on an injured food and agriculture system; a system that is set up to place a premium on healthy, minimally processed food, while on the other end making sure we have enough crap ingredients to go into $0.99 fast-food hamburgers and all you can eat $4.99 buffet troughs. I see know one has brought up the idea of eating less meat, and thereby easing up some of the strain that is on our factory food system.

Irradiation and vaccines are a salve to cover a wound on an injured food and agriculture system; a system that is set up to place a premium on healthy, minimally processed food, while on the other end making sure we have enough crap ingredients to go into $0.99 fast-food hamburgers and all you can eat $4.99 buffet troughs.

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