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		<title>By: Juli Mandel Sloves</title>
		<link>http://www.foodpolitics.com/2010/01/new-york-citys-new-health-initiative-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-34900</link>
		<dc:creator>Juli Mandel Sloves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to take a moment to respond to this posting as a representative of Campbell Soup Company.   Campbell has been gradually and silently reducing the sodium in our products since the 80s.  In fact, since 2005 we’ve increased our reduced sodium options from 25 to over 110 products, and expanded beyond soup.  These efforts include reducing the sodium content of our Campbell’s condensed kids soups not just once, but twice in the past few years by up to 45 percent.  

I’d like to clarify that our kids soups contain 480 mg of sodium per one-cup serving (half cup of condensed soup reconstituted with the same amount of water).  All 12 of our kids soups meet FDA/USDA criteria for healthy foods and also are low in fat, saturated fat, no trans fat.

As our quote in the New York Times states, we will continue to reduce sodium in our products.  It’s our number one strategic priority.  By “consumer acceptance,” we mean we’ll not just lower sodium, but make sure we offer the great-taste people expect from us.  That’s one of the biggest challenges in sodium reduction – but we work every day to meet that challenge head-on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to take a moment to respond to this posting as a representative of Campbell Soup Company.   Campbell has been gradually and silently reducing the sodium in our products since the 80s.  In fact, since 2005 we’ve increased our reduced sodium options from 25 to over 110 products, and expanded beyond soup.  These efforts include reducing the sodium content of our Campbell’s condensed kids soups not just once, but twice in the past few years by up to 45 percent.  </p>
<p>I’d like to clarify that our kids soups contain 480 mg of sodium per one-cup serving (half cup of condensed soup reconstituted with the same amount of water).  All 12 of our kids soups meet FDA/USDA criteria for healthy foods and also are low in fat, saturated fat, no trans fat.</p>
<p>As our quote in the New York Times states, we will continue to reduce sodium in our products.  It’s our number one strategic priority.  By “consumer acceptance,” we mean we’ll not just lower sodium, but make sure we offer the great-taste people expect from us.  That’s one of the biggest challenges in sodium reduction – but we work every day to meet that challenge head-on.</p>
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		<title>By: Let&#8217;s Ask Marion Nestle: Should Salt Be Regulated?</title>
		<link>http://www.foodpolitics.com/2010/01/new-york-citys-new-health-initiative-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-34870</link>
		<dc:creator>Let&#8217;s Ask Marion Nestle: Should Salt Be Regulated?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as you noted last week on your website, &#8220;nearly 80% of salt in American diets is already in packaged and restaurant foods and if you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as you noted last week on your website, &#8220;nearly 80% of salt in American diets is already in packaged and restaurant foods and if you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: skintology</title>
		<link>http://www.foodpolitics.com/2010/01/new-york-citys-new-health-initiative-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-34804</link>
		<dc:creator>skintology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting article. salt intake has to be taken care as discussed to stay healty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting article. salt intake has to be taken care as discussed to stay healty</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Richards</title>
		<link>http://www.foodpolitics.com/2010/01/new-york-citys-new-health-initiative-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-34747</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
Gary Taubes vs. the National Academy of Science, DRIs, Public Health Agencies, CDC, etc? My money&#039;s not on Gary. One of my favourite lines I heard a long time ago is &quot;keep an open mind, but don&#039;t let your brains fall out&quot;. Multifactorial causes of problems doesn&#039;t not mean that one of those factors is not a factor.

My final word on this -- please read my comments carefully as I usually endeavour to be precise with my choice of words -- I said the effect of sodium on hypertension in individuals is INCONSISTENT, not non-existent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
Gary Taubes vs. the National Academy of Science, DRIs, Public Health Agencies, CDC, etc? My money&#8217;s not on Gary. One of my favourite lines I heard a long time ago is &#8220;keep an open mind, but don&#8217;t let your brains fall out&#8221;. Multifactorial causes of problems doesn&#8217;t not mean that one of those factors is not a factor.</p>
<p>My final word on this &#8212; please read my comments carefully as I usually endeavour to be precise with my choice of words &#8212; I said the effect of sodium on hypertension in individuals is INCONSISTENT, not non-existent.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.foodpolitics.com/2010/01/new-york-citys-new-health-initiative-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-34742</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathy, your Hopkins source hedges his conclusions six ways from Sunday. That&#039;s not research, it&#039;s speculation. What do you say to this from Gary Taubes, from an interview he gave last month:

&quot;For fifty years, researchers have been trying to causally link salt consumption to hypertension and the data has continued to be, at best, ambiguous. It&#039;s a nice hypothesis, but it just hasn&#039;t panned out in human trials or even, really, in the observational studies. On the other hand, it&#039;s been known since the 1870s that carbohydrates cause water retention and the more water you retain, simplistically speaking, the higher your blood pressure will be. It&#039;s been known since the 1950s that when people go on carbohydrate-restricted diets their blood pressure drops dramatically because of that water loss, and it&#039;s been known since the 1980s that one of the many things insulin does is regulate blood pressure. Moreover, hypertension is associated with obesity and diabetes so, in one sense, whatever causes obesity and diabetes also causes hypertension, and obesity and diabetes, as I explain in GCBC, are almost assuredly caused by the quality and quantity of carbohydrates in our diet.&quot;

Full interview is here: http://www.thedailybell.com/604/Gary-Taubes-Good-Calories-Bad-Calories.html

If salt doesn&#039;t cause hypertension in individuals, and if the mechanism of hypertension is known and unrelated to salt, then where is your public health case? To be clear I&#039;m not saying there isn&#039;t one, but I am saying that this isn&#039;t it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy, your Hopkins source hedges his conclusions six ways from Sunday. That&#8217;s not research, it&#8217;s speculation. What do you say to this from Gary Taubes, from an interview he gave last month:</p>
<p>&#8220;For fifty years, researchers have been trying to causally link salt consumption to hypertension and the data has continued to be, at best, ambiguous. It&#8217;s a nice hypothesis, but it just hasn&#8217;t panned out in human trials or even, really, in the observational studies. On the other hand, it&#8217;s been known since the 1870s that carbohydrates cause water retention and the more water you retain, simplistically speaking, the higher your blood pressure will be. It&#8217;s been known since the 1950s that when people go on carbohydrate-restricted diets their blood pressure drops dramatically because of that water loss, and it&#8217;s been known since the 1980s that one of the many things insulin does is regulate blood pressure. Moreover, hypertension is associated with obesity and diabetes so, in one sense, whatever causes obesity and diabetes also causes hypertension, and obesity and diabetes, as I explain in GCBC, are almost assuredly caused by the quality and quantity of carbohydrates in our diet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Full interview is here: <a href="http://www.thedailybell.com/604/Gary-Taubes-Good-Calories-Bad-Calories.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedailybell.com/604/Gary-Taubes-Good-Calories-Bad-Calories.html</a></p>
<p>If salt doesn&#8217;t cause hypertension in individuals, and if the mechanism of hypertension is known and unrelated to salt, then where is your public health case? To be clear I&#8217;m not saying there isn&#8217;t one, but I am saying that this isn&#8217;t it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Richards</title>
		<link>http://www.foodpolitics.com/2010/01/new-york-citys-new-health-initiative-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-34735</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, see my earlier post, 2nd link re: role of sodium in POPULATION health, which is what I was discussing and which relates to Marion&#039;s discussion about changing the food supply. I could find many more but don&#039;t feel the need to further defend the work of medical and public health experts.

The RD article you attached addesses INDIVIDUAL health and relates to people changing their personal food choices. Certainly the DASH type diet she recommends is important, but can&#039;t be legislated. Sodium reduction in the food supply can be legislated.

I&#039;m not going to address the fructose issue. That&#039;s pretty much a red herring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, see my earlier post, 2nd link re: role of sodium in POPULATION health, which is what I was discussing and which relates to Marion&#8217;s discussion about changing the food supply. I could find many more but don&#8217;t feel the need to further defend the work of medical and public health experts.</p>
<p>The RD article you attached addesses INDIVIDUAL health and relates to people changing their personal food choices. Certainly the DASH type diet she recommends is important, but can&#8217;t be legislated. Sodium reduction in the food supply can be legislated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to address the fructose issue. That&#8217;s pretty much a red herring.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.foodpolitics.com/2010/01/new-york-citys-new-health-initiative-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-34728</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathy, I think you&#039;ve misrepresented the state of the science. The link between sodium intake and hypertension is very far from conclusive. See, for instance, here: http://www.thirdage.com/hypertension/shaking-up-conventional-thinking-about-sodium-and-hypertension

Also see here, where a clearly-understood biochemical mechanism is seen to implicate fructose consumption as the principal culprit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Please give us a cite or two if you&#039;d like to rebut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy, I think you&#8217;ve misrepresented the state of the science. The link between sodium intake and hypertension is very far from conclusive. See, for instance, here: <a href="http://www.thirdage.com/hypertension/shaking-up-conventional-thinking-about-sodium-and-hypertension" rel="nofollow">http://www.thirdage.com/hypertension/shaking-up-conventional-thinking-about-sodium-and-hypertension</a></p>
<p>Also see here, where a clearly-understood biochemical mechanism is seen to implicate fructose consumption as the principal culprit: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM</a></p>
<p>Please give us a cite or two if you&#8217;d like to rebut.</p>
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		<title>By: my year without</title>
		<link>http://www.foodpolitics.com/2010/01/new-york-citys-new-health-initiative-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-34718</link>
		<dc:creator>my year without</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping for a brief word about iodine. I grew up thinking that I had to eat salt or I&#039;d get a goiter. Now I eat seaweed, but recently I read on Wikipedia that, &quot;Worldwide, iodine deficiency affects about two billion people and is the leading preventable cause of mental retardation.&quot; Just wondering how/if the salt industry is using this argument...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping for a brief word about iodine. I grew up thinking that I had to eat salt or I&#8217;d get a goiter. Now I eat seaweed, but recently I read on Wikipedia that, &#8220;Worldwide, iodine deficiency affects about two billion people and is the leading preventable cause of mental retardation.&#8221; Just wondering how/if the salt industry is using this argument&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Richards</title>
		<link>http://www.foodpolitics.com/2010/01/new-york-citys-new-health-initiative-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-34715</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, there have been very well designed studies to show that sodium is a direct cause of hypertension in many people.  Controlling for calories, carbs/fats/protein,  vegetarian vs omnivore, income, education, activity, etc etc. While sensitivity to salt is inconsistent between individuals, it is not inconsistent amongst populations (eg. Canada vs. US vs. Japan). Population wise, excess sodium perpetuates a tremendous human and dollar cost to our families, businesses, and health care.

The taste changes you refer to are generally temporary. Then you start to taste the real food. Which is quite flavourful -- not bland! It only seems bland in the transition period while your taste buds and physiology adjusts. Small amounts of salt can be used by most people to enhance the flavour of cooked-from-scratch foods, either while cooking or at the table for individual tastes. It&#039;s the mountains of salt in processed food and condiments that are creating the severe health impacts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, there have been very well designed studies to show that sodium is a direct cause of hypertension in many people.  Controlling for calories, carbs/fats/protein,  vegetarian vs omnivore, income, education, activity, etc etc. While sensitivity to salt is inconsistent between individuals, it is not inconsistent amongst populations (eg. Canada vs. US vs. Japan). Population wise, excess sodium perpetuates a tremendous human and dollar cost to our families, businesses, and health care.</p>
<p>The taste changes you refer to are generally temporary. Then you start to taste the real food. Which is quite flavourful &#8212; not bland! It only seems bland in the transition period while your taste buds and physiology adjusts. Small amounts of salt can be used by most people to enhance the flavour of cooked-from-scratch foods, either while cooking or at the table for individual tastes. It&#8217;s the mountains of salt in processed food and condiments that are creating the severe health impacts.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel

Are you a physician? A researcher? My understanding is that about 1/3 of the population is salt-sensitive in terms of high BP resulting from too much salt. The other 2/3&#039;s aren&#039;t as conclusively correlated
to salt sensitivity, but because doctors cannot easily determine who is who, they recommend lower salt intake for everyone. This is from my cardiologist. The issue of the salt/BP relationship is separate from the weight/BP issue as it has been explained to me. Do you have any sources or were you just musing in response to Chelsea&#039;s post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel</p>
<p>Are you a physician? A researcher? My understanding is that about 1/3 of the population is salt-sensitive in terms of high BP resulting from too much salt. The other 2/3&#8242;s aren&#8217;t as conclusively correlated<br />
to salt sensitivity, but because doctors cannot easily determine who is who, they recommend lower salt intake for everyone. This is from my cardiologist. The issue of the salt/BP relationship is separate from the weight/BP issue as it has been explained to me. Do you have any sources or were you just musing in response to Chelsea&#8217;s post?</p>
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